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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 20, 2016                                                                                            
                         1:38 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:38:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thompson   called  the  House   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:38 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mark Neuman, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Steve Thompson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Dan Saddler, Vice-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                      
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
Representative Cathy Munoz                                                                                                      
Representative Lance Pruitt                                                                                                     
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Nancy Meade,  General Counsel, Alaska Court  System; Quinlan                                                                    
Steiner,  Director, Public  Defender  Agency, Department  of                                                                    
Administration; Dean  Williams, Commissioner,  Department of                                                                    
Corrections;  Tracey  Wollenberg,  Deputy  Public  Defender,                                                                    
Appellate  Division, Public  Defender Agency,  Department of                                                                    
Administration;   Jorden  Shilling,   Staff,  Senator   John                                                                    
Coghill;  Senator  John  Coghill;  Representative  Gabrielle                                                                    
LeDoux.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
John  Skidmore, Director,  Criminal Division,  Department of                                                                    
Law;  Gary   Folger,  Commissioner,  Department   of  Public                                                                    
Safety;  Josh   Mercer,  Probation   Supervisor,  Electronic                                                                    
Monitoring,   Department  of   Corrections;  Jeff   Edwards,                                                                    
Executive Director, Alaska Board of Parole, Department of                                                                       
Corrections.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSSSSB 91(FIN) AM                                                                                                               
         OMNIBUS CRIM LAW & PROCEDURE; CORRECTIONS                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          CSSSSB 91(FIN) AM was HEARD and HELD in committee                                                                     
          for further consideration.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR SENATE BILL NO. 91(FIN) am                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to   criminal  law  and  procedure;                                                                    
     relating   to   controlled  substances;   relating   to                                                                    
     immunity   from   prosecution    for   the   crime   of                                                                    
     prostitution;  relating   to  probation;   relating  to                                                                    
     sentencing;  establishing a  pretrial services  program                                                                    
     with pretrial  services officers  in the  Department of                                                                    
     Corrections; relating  to the publication  of suspended                                                                    
     entries of  judgment on  a publicly  available Internet                                                                    
     website;   relating   to  permanent   fund   dividends;                                                                    
     relating   to   electronic  monitoring;   relating   to                                                                    
     penalties  for  violations   of  municipal  ordinances;                                                                    
     relating   to   parole;    relating   to   correctional                                                                    
     restitution   centers;  relating   to  community   work                                                                    
     service;    relating   to    revocation,   termination,                                                                    
     suspension, cancellation, or  restoration of a driver's                                                                    
     license;  relating  to  the excise  tax  on  marijuana;                                                                    
     establishing  the recidivism  reduction fund;  relating                                                                    
     to the Alaska Criminal  Justice Commission; relating to                                                                    
     the disqualification of  persons convicted of specified                                                                    
     drug offenses from participation  in the food stamp and                                                                    
     temporary assistance  programs; relating to  the duties                                                                    
     of the commissioner of  corrections; amending Rules 32,                                                                    
     32.1,  38,  41,  and  43,   Alaska  Rules  of  Criminal                                                                    
     Procedure, and  repealing Rules  41(d) and  (e), Alaska                                                                    
     Rules  of  Criminal  Procedure; and  providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:38:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson discussed the meeting agenda. He relayed                                                                      
that various departments would address impacts of the bill                                                                      
policies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
NANCY   MEADE,  GENERAL   COUNSEL,   ALASKA  COURT   SYSTEM,                                                                    
addressed pretrial  provisions in  the bill,  which included                                                                    
changes  that would  significantly impact  the Alaska  Court                                                                    
System.  Primarily  the  provisions  would  alter  the  bail                                                                    
decision making  process. She detailed that  after an arrest                                                                    
the person would  be assessed by a  newly developed pretrial                                                                    
services office  under the Department of  Corrections (DOC).                                                                    
The pretrial  services officers would assess  each defendant                                                                    
for  risk  and would  provide  a  report  to the  court  and                                                                    
attorneys  within 24  hours;  therefore,  the attorneys  and                                                                    
judge would have the  information when arraignment occurred,                                                                    
which  was within  24  hours of  an  arrest. Currently  bail                                                                    
decisions were  made within 24  hours of an  arrest (statute                                                                    
actually  specified 48  hours,  but the  goal  of the  court                                                                    
system  and other  parties was  24 hours;  most arraignments                                                                    
took  place   within  24  hours).   She  furthered   that  a                                                                    
prosecuting attorney  and defense looked at  the facts about                                                                    
the individual (i.e. the police  report, current charge, and                                                                    
the Alaska  Public Safety Information Network  data) and the                                                                    
judge  then  made a  bail  decision  and could  impose  bail                                                                    
conditions.  The bill  would alter  the  process to  provide                                                                    
attorneys  and  the  judge  with  a  risk  assessment  score                                                                    
supplied by the pretrial services officer.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Meade  continued  that   the  Alaska  Criminal  Justice                                                                    
Commission  learned through  reviewing research  that having                                                                    
the risk assessment  score (e.g. a 6  on a scale of  1 to 10                                                                    
that a  defendant would  show up at  hearings and  adhere to                                                                    
bail conditions) was better for  decision making and setting                                                                    
the  appropriate amounts  of bail.  Section 55  of the  bill                                                                    
specified  how  a judge  would  set  bail. The  section  was                                                                    
lengthy and  complex and detailed  for the court how  to put                                                                    
the risk score on a matrix  along with the current charge in                                                                    
order  to  make  certain  things. She  expounded  that  some                                                                    
things  would  not  be discretionary;  the  judge  would  be                                                                    
required  to  release  certain defendants  before  trial  on                                                                    
their own  recognizance (i.e. releasing a  defendant without                                                                    
any monetary bail conditions). The  commission's goal was to                                                                    
increase  the  number  of  people   released  on  their  own                                                                    
recognizance  if  those  individuals  were  nonviolent.  The                                                                    
number of  pretrial detainees was  growing and the  goal was                                                                    
to  identify individuals  who did  not  need to  be in  jail                                                                    
pretrial  - to  find individuals  with low  risk scores  who                                                                    
could  be  released  without  harm  to  the  community.  She                                                                    
reiterated that Section 55 of the  bill told a judge what to                                                                    
do with each  risk assessment level and  the current charge.                                                                    
The provision  removed some of  the judicial  discretion and                                                                    
gave  the  judge discretion  to  impose  bail conditions  if                                                                    
there was  clear and convincing  evidence that  nothing else                                                                    
would protect  the community and ensure  the defendant would                                                                    
show up  for their  hearings. She  relayed that  the section                                                                    
had a delayed effective  date because the significant change                                                                    
would  take  the  court  system,  DOC,  and  other  criminal                                                                    
justice  entities some  time to  determine how  to implement                                                                    
(e.g.  how  the risk  assessments  would  get to  the  judge                                                                    
within 24  hours). She explained  that under Section  117 of                                                                    
the bill  the pretrial services  office had to come  up with                                                                    
the risk  assessment tool, work  with the other  agencies to                                                                    
ensure everyone knew what would  happen with the assessment,                                                                    
and test  it on  Alaska's population.  She believed  DOC had                                                                    
ideas  on how  they  would  do the  work;  there were  tools                                                                    
utilized in  other states that  could be used as  a starting                                                                    
point with modifications made to fit Alaska's population.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:45:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mead explained  that  the bill  sponsor  had looked  to                                                                    
Kentucky's process  as a helpful example.  She detailed that                                                                    
in  Kentucky, questions  were asked  of  each defendant  via                                                                    
research  (not  a  personal   interview)  to  determine  the                                                                    
person's  risk  assessment.  The   research  asked  about  a                                                                    
person's  pending  charge,  previous  convictions,  previous                                                                    
times they  failed to appear,  whether they had  any violent                                                                    
prior  convictions,  whether  they were  on  probation,  and                                                                    
whether  there was  an active  warrant. She  reiterated that                                                                    
Sections  55  and  117  would   change  how  the  court  did                                                                    
pretrial. She asked if she  should address other sections of                                                                    
the bill that would impact the court system.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson answered that  the committee was currently                                                                    
focusing only on pretrial. He  noted questions would be held                                                                    
until testimony on pretrial had concluded.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Saddler asked  for clarification  on which  bill                                                                    
versions testifiers were addressing.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead answered  that Section 55 may have  had a different                                                                    
section number  in the Senate  version of the bill,  but the                                                                    
provisions  had   not  changed  substantively   through  the                                                                    
process. She noted there had  been a redraft with the public                                                                    
defenders, Department  of Law (DOL),  and others  to clarify                                                                    
the provisions.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thompson noted  the committee  was addressing  the                                                                    
House Judiciary Committee version of the legislation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SKIDMORE, DIRECTOR,  CRIMINAL DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
LAW (via  teleconference), relayed  that there  were several                                                                    
areas in pretrial  that would impact DOL.  First, Section 47                                                                    
was  a   "cite  versus   arrest"  provision   addressing  an                                                                    
officer's ability  to arrest. The  other areas  were related                                                                    
to bail and a pretrial services officer.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Skidmore   addressed   the  citation   versus   arrest                                                                    
provision, which  was based on  the first  recommendation in                                                                    
the   Alaska  Criminal   Justice  Commission's   report.  He                                                                    
detailed that  the initial drafting  of the  citation versus                                                                    
arrest   provisions   had   raised  concerns   for   various                                                                    
individuals  in the  law  enforcement  community, which  had                                                                    
resulted in a  number of amendments. Section 47  of the bill                                                                    
accomplished  the  administration's  goal of  utilizing  the                                                                    
commission's recommendation  for a  greater use  of citation                                                                    
and reducing  the use  of arrests.  The section  allowed law                                                                    
enforcement considerable latitude  in making decisions about                                                                    
when  they would  arrest. He  noted there  were a  number of                                                                    
exceptions  to the  provision. He  discussed  that any  time                                                                    
there  was  a  change  in  the  law  it  was  important  for                                                                    
stakeholders to  monitor the change.  The section  seemed to                                                                    
achieve the commission's desire  to place a greater emphasis                                                                    
on the  use of citations and  DOL would have to  monitor the                                                                    
change to  see if it  impacted other areas. The  change left                                                                    
considerable discretion to law enforcement.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore  addressed bail  and  the  concept of  a  risk                                                                    
assessment tool,  which was the primary  change. Currently a                                                                    
prosecutor  looked at  a  defendant's  criminal history  and                                                                    
made  recommendations to  a judge.  He  detailed that  three                                                                    
prosecutors  could look  at the  same criminal  history, but                                                                    
could come up with  three slightly different recommendations                                                                    
based  on  their views  of  the  criminal history  and  what                                                                    
weight they  would apply to  any particular  conviction. The                                                                    
concept of  the risk assessment  tool was to have  a single,                                                                    
unified  process for  evaluating the  weight that  should be                                                                    
applied  to a  person's previous  criminal history  or other                                                                    
factors.  The  tool had  not  yet  been developed,  but  the                                                                    
conversations had  focused around  something similar  to the                                                                    
process used  in Kentucky. He elaborated  that Kentucky used                                                                    
a risk  assessment tool that  evaluated a  person's criminal                                                                    
history, previous  conditions of  release, whether  a person                                                                    
was on  probation, and other.  He noted that the  items were                                                                    
all  considered in  Alaska's current  process, but  the goal                                                                    
was to develop a unified view.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore addressed other  significant changes related to                                                                    
bail.  Currently  law specified  that  when  setting bail  a                                                                    
court may  not consider  a defendant's ability  or inability                                                                    
to  pay. The  bill would  require the  courts to  consider a                                                                    
person's inability  to pay. As  currently drafted,  in order                                                                    
to issue bail conditions or set  bail, the court had to find                                                                    
by clear  and convincing  evidence that a  lower bail  or no                                                                    
bail would not  work. He believed that  currently the courts                                                                    
could   make  assessments   without   requiring  clear   and                                                                    
convincing  evidence. The  change  was  consistent with  the                                                                    
Alaska  Criminal Justice  Commission's recommendations  that                                                                    
more  individuals  should  be   released  pretrial  and  the                                                                    
analysis of who was kept in  jail pretrial should be done on                                                                    
the basis of a risk assessment.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:53:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore relayed  that the  change related  to pretrial                                                                    
services would not  directly impact DOL in the  way it would                                                                    
impact DOC.  Pretrial services was designed  to address that                                                                    
with more  individuals out on  bail, the best way  to ensure                                                                    
public  safety  was  to  have   greater  monitoring  of  the                                                                    
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
QUINLAN   STEINER,   DIRECTOR,   PUBLIC   DEFENDER   AGENCY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF ADMINISTRATION,  relayed that  he had  been a                                                                    
member of  the Alaska Criminal Justice  Commission. From the                                                                    
perspective  of the  commission and  public defenders  there                                                                    
had been  a large  number of  pretrial individuals  held for                                                                    
very low amounts  of monetary bail and under  a condition of                                                                    
a  third-party  custodian.  The  two  factors  were  holding                                                                    
people in  custody due  to their inability  to pay  or their                                                                    
lack of  support network, which prevented  them from finding                                                                    
someone to  be with them  24 hours  a day. He  remarked that                                                                    
monitoring  a   person  24  hours   per  day   was  onerous,                                                                    
especially   for   people   who   worked.   The   commission                                                                    
recommended addressing the issue,  which had become apparent                                                                    
and  growing over  the years;  the  data suggested  strongly                                                                    
that monetary bail  was no more effective  than an unsecured                                                                    
bond at  addressing the requirements  of bail  (i.e. showing                                                                    
up  to court  and  adhering to  bail  conditions). He  added                                                                    
there  had been  grave  concerns  about whether  third-party                                                                    
custodianships  worked  at  all  and that  they  were  being                                                                    
placed  in   an  arbitrary  manner  without   any  objective                                                                    
assessment   or  tools   in  determining   whether  it   was                                                                    
necessary. Under  the legislation, monetary bail  and third-                                                                    
party monitoring  remained possible, but with  a much higher                                                                    
standard.   Third-party   custodians    would   largely   be                                                                    
unnecessary  if   there  was  a  pretrial   services  office                                                                    
available in  a community.  There was still  possibility for                                                                    
release  in  communities  without a  pretrial  office  where                                                                    
third-party  custodians could  be  applied if  there was  no                                                                    
other  entity  available.   The  provision  contained  broad                                                                    
discretion and  in rural  jurisdictions DOC  may be  able to                                                                    
partner with other  entities to help supplement;  it was one                                                                    
of the pretrial  release items considered in  order to bring                                                                    
fairness statewide even with limited resources.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:56:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY FOLGER, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF PUBLIC SAFETY (via                                                                    
teleconference),  stated that  the  three previous  speakers                                                                    
had  provided  a thorough  overview.  He  did not  have  any                                                                    
additional comments.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  WILLIAMS,  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT  OF  CORRECTIONS,                                                                    
relayed that pretrial  was the biggest part of  the bill for                                                                    
DOC as  it involved  starting a new  unit. He  detailed that                                                                    
the department had been looking  at models and worked on the                                                                    
issue  already. The  concept was  an important  part of  the                                                                    
bill  and in  relation to  reform efforts.  He detailed  the                                                                    
importance of  making sure low  risk individuals  (who would                                                                    
otherwise be  in jail)  would be out  of jail.  He explained                                                                    
they would be  using a tool to make the  decision instead of                                                                    
providing  bail  based on  a  person's  ability to  pay.  He                                                                    
believed it was a great  improvement and was responsible for                                                                    
reducing some  of the prison  populations and risk  in other                                                                    
states. He noted the bill  contained numerous moving pieces.                                                                    
The department would take a  look at how the assessment tool                                                                    
had been  utilized in  other states.  He explained  that the                                                                    
topic  was  a  moving  target, which  the  department  would                                                                    
continue to refine in order  for assessments to be conducted                                                                    
quickly and accurately. He explained  the tool would get the                                                                    
right person out  of jail and keep the right  person in jail                                                                    
versus  basing  the  issue  on  professional  expertise.  He                                                                    
discussed that individuals with  moderate or higher risk who                                                                    
got  out due  to a  low-level crime  (the judge  would still                                                                    
make the  final decision  on bail)  would be  monitored. The                                                                    
lower  risk  individuals  may  only  require  a  phone  call                                                                    
reminding them to go to  court. He reasoned high supervision                                                                    
was not needed  for low risk individuals.  He mentioned that                                                                    
assessment  tools  were  working  in other  states  such  as                                                                    
Kentucky. He  added that Kentucky  was doing  a presentation                                                                    
on the  item in a  couple of  weeks that the  department was                                                                    
planning on attending. He noted  that other states were also                                                                    
doing good work and the  department did not want to reinvent                                                                    
the wheel. He reiterated that the  topic was a large part of                                                                    
the bill and reform effort,  which he believed was important                                                                    
for the state going forward.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:59:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gattis  referred   to  the  risk  assessment                                                                    
factor. She believed  it would be one of  the biggest pieces                                                                    
related how  DOC would determine  who it would let  out, who                                                                    
it would keep  in, and why. She remarked that  the issue was                                                                    
one of the biggest challenges  to constituents she had heard                                                                    
from. She  had heard about  individuals getting out  of jail                                                                    
the next day after being  arrested for burglary and drug use                                                                    
problems.  She wanted  to work  together  to determine  what                                                                    
worked and what was right for the community.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon asked  for  the definition  of a  low                                                                    
risk offender.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steiner  replied that  the  definition  of a  low  risk                                                                    
offender would be  what was specified by the  tool. The risk                                                                    
assessment  tool would  consider objective  factors such  as                                                                    
prior convictions,  prior allegations  of failure  to appear                                                                    
in court, and  the current allegation. The  factors would be                                                                    
used to  determine what happened  later for  individuals who                                                                    
were released  and to determine  who was a low  risk person.                                                                    
The tool had to be created  and confirmed that it worked for                                                                    
Alaska.  He  reasoned that  a  successful  tool in  Kentucky                                                                    
would  not necessarily  work in  Alaska and  may need  to be                                                                    
tweaked. A general description of  a low risk individual was                                                                    
a person charged with a  low-level misdemeanor who had never                                                                    
been in custody or trouble  before and had no indications of                                                                    
having  failed  to appear  or  adhere  to conditions.  Those                                                                    
individuals  would  most  likely  be labeled  low  risk  and                                                                    
released on  their own recognizance. Higher  level offences,                                                                    
which may include violence or  a prior allegation of failure                                                                    
to  appear started  to get  into  the high  risk area.  What                                                                    
qualified as low risk would  be determined by the assessment                                                                    
tool.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:03:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon asked  if it  was safe  to say  a low                                                                    
risk offender would be the  product of the process. He asked                                                                    
if  the bill  contributed  to the  process.  He referred  to                                                                    
representatives  from  the  court system,  DOC,  the  Public                                                                    
Defender Agency, and a state  trooper who were available for                                                                    
questions. He  surmised there  were probably  other elements                                                                    
to the justice  system. He wondered if the  bill came closer                                                                    
to defining low-risk offender and  in determining what a low                                                                    
risk offender was not.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner  answered that it  was exactly what  they wanted                                                                    
the assessment tool to do;  it would be objective across the                                                                    
state.  The idea  was  the tool  would  predict the  overall                                                                    
outcomes  for the  population  of the  State  of Alaska.  He                                                                    
furthered  that  it  would  not   necessarily  apply  to  an                                                                    
individual,  there would  still be  a potential  hearing for                                                                    
additional  conditions or  judicial determinations  in order                                                                    
to consider the individual as well.  On the low end the tool                                                                    
would mandate release  if a person was  determined low risk,                                                                    
but  it  would  still  be  available  for  a  hearing  where                                                                    
additional  conditions may  be placed.  The recommendation's                                                                    
goal had a strong objective and consistent component.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon requested  Ms.  Mead  to provide  her                                                                    
comments on the issue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead  agreed the definition  of pretrial risk  was about                                                                    
the likelihood  of a  person appearing  at their  next court                                                                    
hearings  and  the  likelihood   of  new  criminal  activity                                                                    
pretrial.  The  risk  assessment  tool  would  identify  the                                                                    
items; it  would consider whether  a person had  committed a                                                                    
violent  crime and  could also  include many  other factors.                                                                    
Other  states  included   things  like  employment,  student                                                                    
status,  education level,  and marital  status as  well. She                                                                    
surmised  that  it  could  possibly  be  the  case  that  an                                                                    
employed  person may  be more  likely to  show up  for their                                                                    
hearings and  not commit more  criminal activity.  The items                                                                    
considered by  other states were  examples of ideas  DOC may                                                                    
ultimately  adopt as  the pertinent  questions for  Alaska's                                                                    
population.  The  risk  assessment  should  offer  a  better                                                                    
consensus  about the  risk  level to  assign  a person;  the                                                                    
assessment would  be transmitted to the  judge and attorneys                                                                    
in order to make a bail decision.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  had heard  that the  courts would                                                                    
be given a  [risk level] number [which had  been assigned to                                                                    
a defendant]. He  questioned whether the number  would be in                                                                    
the single digits  or multi-digits if for  example, a person                                                                    
had a prior felony,  drug problems, high risk, unemployment,                                                                    
and other. He  referred to methods used by  other states and                                                                    
surmised  that   the  wider  the  number   scale,  the  more                                                                    
information it could include. He  wondered how it had worked                                                                    
in  other  places  and how  the  departments  envisioned  it                                                                    
happening.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead replied  that it was not necessarily  a number. She                                                                    
noted  DOC had  not  yet determined  exactly  what the  tool                                                                    
would look like,  whether it would assess people  on a scale                                                                    
from 1  to 10; whether  it would  just assess people  in the                                                                    
low,  moderate, and  high categories;  or some  variation or                                                                    
combination of  those. She detailed  that other  states with                                                                    
assessment tools  did it all  different ways.  She furthered                                                                    
that  if  the  court  received an  assessment  specifying  a                                                                    
person  was moderate  risk,  the court  would  look at  what                                                                    
happens  with  that  category. Likewise,  if  an  assessment                                                                    
labeled a defendant  as a 6 out of 10,  the court would have                                                                    
some  translation  to  determine  that  the  number  sounded                                                                    
moderate. She  explained that some  of the details  were yet                                                                    
to be worked out.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Williams  expounded  that  DOC  would  not  be                                                                    
developing the  tool in isolation.  He noted that  DOC would                                                                    
listen  to Kentucky's  presentation on  its risk  assessment                                                                    
method  because the  department understood  the tool  had to                                                                    
make  sense  across  the  board.  The  goal  was  a  uniform                                                                    
acceptance  and understanding  and  collaborative effort  on                                                                    
developing  the  tool,  which   would  allow  the  state  to                                                                    
determine whether the tool was  right for Alaska and to make                                                                    
any tweaks after  seeing how it was working  after the first                                                                    
year. Whether  the assessment tool  specified a high  or low                                                                    
risk number  was less important than  identifying the things                                                                    
the state determined were important  to ask, that items were                                                                    
rated accurately, and that the information was valid.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:09:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg surmised  that "it  seems like  a                                                                    
single  number, but  not  a single  digit."  He reasoned  if                                                                    
someone from Kentucky  committed a crime in  Alaska it would                                                                    
be  helpful to  have the  ability  to contact  the State  of                                                                    
Kentucky to  obtain the  person's [risk  assessment] number.                                                                    
He  asked  if  there  was any  organization  pushing  for  a                                                                    
national standard on the issue.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams answered  that significant research on                                                                    
the issue  had been conducted nationally.  He referenced his                                                                    
prior work  with the juvenile  system and relayed  that they                                                                    
had  looked at  the issue  many years  earlier. He  detailed                                                                    
that  juvenile facilities  had been  overcrowded even  after                                                                    
building  numerous facilities.  He recalled  youths sleeping                                                                    
on  the   floors  due  to   overcrowding.  He   relayed  the                                                                    
administrators had looked to  risk assessments for juveniles                                                                    
to make  sure they  were not  locking up  kids that  did not                                                                    
need it. He explained that  the assessment tool had been one                                                                    
of  the   reasons  the  juvenile  counts   had  dropped.  He                                                                    
characterized the  assessment tool  as a cornerstone  of the                                                                    
reform effort. He was confident  the tool would be solid and                                                                    
the  state would  have the  ability  to tweak  it if  needed                                                                    
going  forward.  He noted  that  it  was probably  the  best                                                                    
researched area of the legislation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  asked if  the tool was  one digit                                                                    
or five. Alternatively,  he wondered if the  tool was ranked                                                                    
by low, medium, and high.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Thompson  stated   that  it   sounded  like   the                                                                    
departments were still working on it.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead  referred to  a report  from the  Arnold Foundation                                                                    
and  the Pretrial  Justice Institute,  which  had both  done                                                                    
significant work in the assessment  tool area. She cited the                                                                    
following  language  from  the Pretrial  Justice  Institute:                                                                    
"when a  defendant is  scored on a  pretrial risk  tool, the                                                                    
score places  the defendant  into one  of several  - usually                                                                    
three, four or five -  risk categories." She noted there was                                                                    
a significant  amount of literature  she believed  the state                                                                    
would review.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson highlighted that  Mr. Skidmore had pointed                                                                    
out  Section 47  gave the  ability for  officers to  issue a                                                                    
citation instead  of arrest.  He asked  if the  change would                                                                    
require more training. He wondered  who would assess when to                                                                    
give a citation versus arrest.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead deferred  the question to the  Department of Public                                                                    
Safety (DPS).                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Folger replied  that DPS would have  to do some                                                                    
retraining, but the decision would  primarily be based on an                                                                    
officer's discretion. At  the end of the day  an officer had                                                                    
to  determine   whether  their  decision  was   keeping  the                                                                    
potential defendant and the public safe.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thompson believed  public  safety would  be a  big                                                                    
part of the decision making.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mead added  that currently  officers had  discretion to                                                                    
issue citations  for misdemeanors.  The bill would  create a                                                                    
presumption an officer would be  required to give a citation                                                                    
for  certain misdemeanors  (there were  definite carve  outs                                                                    
including when  the officer felt  the person  was dangerous)                                                                    
and for Class  C felonies. The provision did  not change the                                                                    
impact on  the courts. She detailed  that specific citations                                                                    
would not  enable a person to  mail in their $500;  it was a                                                                    
merely  a new  way  of  starting the  case.  For example,  a                                                                    
person would be told they had  a court hearing in 20 days at                                                                    
9:00 a.m.,  which started the  process for the  court system                                                                    
the  same  way  that  would  occur  if  a  person  had  been                                                                    
arrested.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Saddler  surmised   the  assessment  tool  would                                                                    
provide  a  substantial  amount  of  good  information  once                                                                    
completed. He asked if  there were off-the-shelf assessments                                                                    
that had been used in  other locations. He wondered if there                                                                    
was a  risk assessment method  that was considered  the best                                                                    
in  the  country,  which  could  be  used  and  tweaked  for                                                                    
Alaska's population.  Alternatively, he  wondered if  it was                                                                    
something  the   state  needed  to  spend   time  and  money                                                                    
designing.  He  remarked that  the  analogy  of the  state's                                                                    
educational assessments came to mind.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Williams  answered   that  the   state  could                                                                    
probably   begin  with   an  off-the-shelf   assessment.  He                                                                    
detailed that  whatever tool  the state  took off  the shelf                                                                    
would be  done in a  group process given the  state's desire                                                                    
to start the assessment tool off  in the right way. He added                                                                    
that  there  were  currently off-the-shelf  products,  which                                                                    
could be used.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:15:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Saddler asked  if there was an  estimation of the                                                                    
cost to obtain, test, and get to a working assessment tool.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams  replied that  some of  the assessment                                                                    
tools were copyrighted and had a  very small fee. He did not                                                                    
know whether the  state would end up paying for  the tool or                                                                    
not. The  assessment tools had  been around for a  long time                                                                    
and were  non-interview tools based upon  historical things,                                                                    
which  could  almost be  garnished  off  the crime  and  any                                                                    
criminal record a person had.  He explained that scoring the                                                                    
tool was meant to be done very quickly.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Pruitt  surmised that the concept  would take                                                                    
a considerable amount of administration.  He referred to the                                                                    
department's  pretrial services  fiscal  note that  surmised                                                                    
that initially the state would  need about 29 new positions,                                                                    
but  eventually   it  would   require  about   80  full-time                                                                    
positions.  He remarked  that the  number  of positions  was                                                                    
substantial.  He  asked  about   the  needed  structure.  He                                                                    
remarked  that the  assessment was  also  supposed to  bring                                                                    
some offsetting  reductions in personnel and  cost. He asked                                                                    
about ultimate savings the state expected to see.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams  replied that  the real  challenge was                                                                    
getting   the  assessment   correct   and  determining   the                                                                    
implementation  plan.   The  change  would   take  positions                                                                    
because  it would  be necessary  to  have employees  working                                                                    
around the clock to do  the assessments when people came in.                                                                    
He noted that  court cases were happening all  over. Part of                                                                    
putting the  plan together would include  determining how to                                                                    
do the work  in the most efficient,  cost-effective way. The                                                                    
state's goal  was to implement  the best plan, which  it had                                                                    
been  given   a  year  to   determine.  He   continued  that                                                                    
projections on  what the  plan would look  like came  with a                                                                    
caveat that many states were  using an assessment tool quite                                                                    
efficiently.  He specified  that  Kentucky  had reduced  its                                                                    
cost of  implementing the plan  quite a bit, which  was part                                                                    
of   the  reason   he  wanted   to  attend   their  upcoming                                                                    
presentation.  The department  had made  certain assumptions                                                                    
in  its   fiscal  note  going   forward.  He   believed  the                                                                    
assumptions were good,  but it was important  to realize the                                                                    
state was  not even to first  base on developing a  plan. He                                                                    
thought many things  would change over the  upcoming year in                                                                    
terms of finding efficiencies. He  believed it was necessary                                                                    
to start  with an assumption  the positions would  be needed                                                                    
to develop the  plan; DOC would need  positions. He stressed                                                                    
that  the reinvestment  piece  of  utilizing the  assessment                                                                    
tool pretrial  was hugely important. He  emphasized that DOC                                                                    
could not  do the  work with its  current resources,  but he                                                                    
was looking for cost savings going forward.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Williams  addressed   the   second  part   of                                                                    
Representative  Pruitt's  question   related  to  offsetting                                                                    
costs.  The  point  of reducing  pretrial  numbers  was  [to                                                                    
reduce]  the workload  associated  with  keeping people  [in                                                                    
jail] pretrial  who did not  need to  be there. He  spoke to                                                                    
the  significant  work going  into  moving  people back  and                                                                    
forth from court to jail.  He referenced a comment about the                                                                    
cost  of  moving prisoners  to  court  between Kotzebue  and                                                                    
Nome.  He   stressed  that   travel  costs   statewide  were                                                                    
substantial;  if the  travel  was reduced  by  even a  small                                                                    
percentage,  it  would  result in  substantial  savings.  He                                                                    
reasoned that  once DOC no  longer had 300 to  500 prisoners                                                                    
in pretrial,  it may  be possible  to close  down particular                                                                    
wings   or  units   in  facilities.   He  added   that  most                                                                    
communities would  still need a  remand area (e.g.  the area                                                                    
in Fairbanks  would not be  closed down), but  savings could                                                                    
be achieved  if the larger pretrial  population was reduced.                                                                    
Even if a  facility was not closed, marginal  costs on items                                                                    
such  as  food,  clothing,  laundry,   and  other  would  be                                                                    
reduced. He  noted that marginal  costs were smaller  than a                                                                    
per-bed  cost,  but  they  added  up  and  would  result  in                                                                    
offsets.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:21:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Pruitt  asked if there were  offsets in terms                                                                    
of personnel.  He remarked on  closing wings  of facilities.                                                                    
He asked if personnel savings would result.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams  affirmed that the idea  was to offset                                                                    
personnel   and  to   move   employees  currently   guarding                                                                    
prisoners into some of the  new positions, especially if DOC                                                                    
needed to hire more people in  the second year. The goal was                                                                    
to  put  money where  it  mattered  most.  He spoke  to  the                                                                    
importance of  locating personnel  cost savings.  The caveat                                                                    
was  not  knowing the  final  end  result  of the  bill;  if                                                                    
certain  assumptions  made  at  the  start  of  the  process                                                                    
changed, the savings would be impacted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson reminded the  committee they would address                                                                    
fiscal notes on during the Friday meeting.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara believed the  risk assessment tool would                                                                    
be much  less accurate if  the state chose the  low, medium,                                                                    
high risk  version. He detailed [on  a scale of 1  to 10] it                                                                    
would lump 3.5 to 6 as  medium risk. He hoped the department                                                                    
would design  the tool in a  way that would give  the courts                                                                    
the  most  information  about a  person.  He  believed  low,                                                                    
medium,  high  seemed like  the  worst  possible option.  He                                                                    
moved  to the  topic of  bail.  He discussed  that the  bill                                                                    
would require  a person to  prove with clear  and convincing                                                                    
evidence they were  entitled to be released  without bail on                                                                    
their own  recognizance. He asked  if the standard  had been                                                                    
in the original bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams asked for clarification.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  clarified his understanding  that under                                                                    
the  bill  a person  would  have  to  prove with  clear  and                                                                    
convincing  evidence that  they should  be released  with no                                                                    
bail. He wondered if he had misheard.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Williams  believed   Representative  Gara  had                                                                    
misheard.  He explained  that under  the  legislation, if  a                                                                    
person  was assessed  at low  risk with  a certain  level of                                                                    
offence  they   would  be  released   automatically  without                                                                    
discretion.  He  clarified that  nothing  would  have to  be                                                                    
proven  up,  but  there  could be  conditions  placed  on  a                                                                    
person. For the  medium to higher risk  offenders the burden                                                                    
would be  on the state to  prove that bail or  a third-party                                                                    
custodian  was  necessary,  at which  point  the  clear  and                                                                    
convincing standard  would be used. He  explained that clear                                                                    
and  convincing  evidence  was different  from  the  current                                                                    
standard,   preponderance  of   the  evidence,   which  left                                                                    
potential for  disparate results.  The bill  provision would                                                                    
ensure  the  conditions  holding  people  in  were  actually                                                                    
necessary to protect the public.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  for verification  that the  bill                                                                    
would not make it more difficult  for a person to receive no                                                                    
bail if they were entitled to it.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Williams  asked  if  Representative  Gara  was                                                                    
referring to OR [own recognizance] release.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Gara   replied    in   the    affirmative.                                                                    
Commissioner  Williams confirmed  that  the  bill would  not                                                                    
make it  harder for a  person to  be released [on  their own                                                                    
recognizance].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara spoke  to what he felt  was the over-use                                                                    
of  third-party custodians.  He  wondered if  the clear  and                                                                    
convincing  standard  would protect  from  the  over use  of                                                                    
third-party custodians.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Williams  answered  in  the  affirmative.  The                                                                    
state would have  to prove by clear  and convincing evidence                                                                    
and  it  would have  to  be  in  a  community in  which  the                                                                    
pretrial services was not available  to supervise. There had                                                                    
been concerns  about whether  or not  third-party custodians                                                                    
worked  at  all,  but  the option  had  been  preserved  for                                                                    
communities without pretrial services  officers so people in                                                                    
rural  Alaska would  not  be put  at  a disadvantage.  There                                                                    
would be latitude for either  a third-party custodian in the                                                                    
community or  some other type  of supervision (e.g.  a local                                                                    
Village  Public Safety  Officer  (VPSO)  or other  community                                                                    
member).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:27:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  wanted to  ensure that  everyone around                                                                    
the  state was  treated fairly,  which he  surmised was  the                                                                    
intent.  He did  not  understand what  it  meant that  there                                                                    
would not be  a pretrial services office in  a community and                                                                    
how it  would impact whether someone  received a third-party                                                                    
custodian.  He   remarked  that   the  use   of  third-party                                                                    
custodians was not really liked.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Williams  answered   that  addressing  how  to                                                                    
create fairness across the state  the department had started                                                                    
with  the premise  that  third-party  custodianship was  not                                                                    
preferred because  of concerns  about whether it  worked and                                                                    
how difficult it  was to obtain a  third-party custodian. He                                                                    
clarified  that   a  third-party  custodian  would   not  be                                                                    
permitted  in  a  community  where  DOC  placed  a  pretrial                                                                    
services   officer.  He   furthered  that   the  clear   and                                                                    
convincing  standard  could  result   in  monetary  bail  or                                                                    
heightened supervision by the  pretrial services officer. He                                                                    
elaborated  that  it  prevented a  high-risk  individual  in                                                                    
rural Alaska from  getting any release if  it was determined                                                                    
supervision  was  necessary.  In   an  effort  to  establish                                                                    
fairness,  DOC  had  preserved  a  bit  of  the  third-party                                                                    
custodianships  or  other  supervision (recommended  by  the                                                                    
court  and pretrial  services office)  in rural  Alaska. The                                                                    
goal had  been to ensure  people were treated  fairly across                                                                    
the state  and that  individuals would not  be disadvantaged                                                                    
for being in a community without an office.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  did not  understand how  individuals in                                                                    
smaller communities  with no pretrial services  office would                                                                    
not  be  stuck  with   additional  use  of  the  third-party                                                                    
custodian  process. He  noted he  was fine  with the  bill's                                                                    
current language.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson spoke  to a fiscal note  number 23 and                                                                    
remarked  the  note  only showed  the  cost.  She  suggested                                                                    
including  the  savings as  well.  She  spoke to  electronic                                                                    
monitoring  (EM) and  believed that  DOC was  not using  the                                                                    
service even though it had the  ability to do so. She wanted                                                                    
to know  what had  changed in the  bill and  whether private                                                                    
companies could provide  electronic monitoring. She wondered                                                                    
if  EM could  still be  utilized  as it  had been  in HB  15                                                                    
[electronic   monitoring   legislation  passed   in   2015].                                                                    
Additionally,  she asked  if  the bill  would  allow DOC  to                                                                    
utilize a  contract with  private companies  versus offering                                                                    
the service on its own.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams  replied that  he was keenly  aware of                                                                    
the  issue  related to  EM.  The  bill  aimed to  allow  the                                                                    
ability  to   provide  options   that  were   not  currently                                                                    
available.  He detailed  that using  EM pretrial  was a  new                                                                    
approach  for the  department, which  he and  the department                                                                    
embraced.  He  explained  the  department  wanted  the  most                                                                    
options  available   to  keep   people  out  of   jail.  The                                                                    
department  was looking  at going  beyond the  current model                                                                    
that  only offered  EM to  people who  could afford  it; the                                                                    
goal was to offer it to  individuals who could not afford to                                                                    
pay for  the service  because it  would save  the department                                                                    
and the state money. He stated  that the change was a policy                                                                    
direction that  made sense.  He had  been on  the commission                                                                    
when  the  debate  had  taken place,  but  he  believed  the                                                                    
commission had embraced the concept.  He reiterated that the                                                                    
change was embraced  by the department because  it made risk                                                                    
and fiscal sense. He believed EM  was a good tool for DOC to                                                                    
have.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked if  DOC would possibly  look at                                                                    
contracting EM out versus offering the service on its own.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:31:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams  answered that Mr. Steiner  had spoken                                                                    
about the options  that would look different  in rural areas                                                                    
in  terms of  who  would run  EM or  who  would provide  the                                                                    
supervision;  it did  not need  to be  DOC staff.  His goal,                                                                    
especially in rural  areas, was to have  the local community                                                                    
get some small support to  provide the supervision in areas,                                                                    
which had  previously been  done by the  state. Part  of the                                                                    
issue  was  developing  the  availability  and  options.  He                                                                    
believed  the   options  to  provide  supervision   post  or                                                                    
pretrial to individuals had been  lacking. He explained that                                                                    
the state would own the  decision, but once the decision had                                                                    
been made there could be different options.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  stated that one of  the bill versions                                                                    
had allowed  DOC to work  with private companies on  EM. She                                                                    
asked if the language was still in the bill.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead  replied in  the affirmative  and referred  to page                                                                    
74, lines  24 through 26  of the legislation related  to the                                                                    
pretrial services office, which  would be supervising people                                                                    
to  different degrees  depending  on their  risk level.  The                                                                    
provision read that "the commissioner  may procure and enter                                                                    
into  agreements   or  contracts  for  the   supervision  of                                                                    
defendants on electronic monitoring."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson remarked  there were  great companies                                                                    
that could  offer the  service privately.  She noted  it had                                                                    
been brought  to her attention  that one company had  been a                                                                    
"bad actor," which  she believed was no  longer in business.                                                                    
She recalled  when she had  worked on  HB 15 there  had been                                                                    
discussion about  the certification  of companies  to ensure                                                                    
some oversight  into the issue.  She asked  for verification                                                                    
that the bill  would enable DOC to contract  with a company,                                                                    
but  it  did  not   include  language  about  providing  any                                                                    
oversight of the companies.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mead  replied that  she  did  not believe  the  current                                                                    
version of  the bill included  DOC oversight of  all private                                                                    
EM companies in Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner believed Ms. Mead  was correct. He detailed that                                                                    
the assumption and  discussion had been if DOC  was going to                                                                    
contract for EM it would take  on the oversight to ensure it                                                                    
complied with  minimum requirements  set by  the department.                                                                    
Currently, a  court may order  a person  to go to  utilize a                                                                    
private company and there would be no association with DOC.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson pointed to Section  64, page 37 and 38                                                                    
of the bill, which had been  added in by the prior committee                                                                    
and addressed treatment and pretrial.  She believed in order                                                                    
for a  person to  qualify for  a Nygren  credit they  had to                                                                    
complete an  inpatient treatment program. She  asked how the                                                                    
treatment  language in  Section  64 was  different from  the                                                                    
Nygren credit.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mead answered that the  changes in Section 64 through 66                                                                    
were substantial from current law  and prior versions of the                                                                    
bill.   Currently   AS    12.55.027(a)   spelled   out   the                                                                    
restrictions a program  had to have in place in  order for a                                                                    
person going  to a treatment  program to get credit  for the                                                                    
time  against their  sentence. She  detailed that  basically                                                                    
the program  had to resemble  prison; a person could  not be                                                                    
free  to leave.  She  specified that  the legislature  would                                                                    
determine through statute that  because the program was akin                                                                    
to  prison,  the  person  would  get  credit  against  their                                                                    
eventual prison  time. Under the  current bill  version, the                                                                    
court could grant credit against  a sentence of imprisonment                                                                    
with fewer constraints; it would  be up to the court whether                                                                    
to  grant   credit  if   the  treatment   program  "furthers                                                                    
reformation and  rehabilitation" (Section 64).  She detailed                                                                    
that a person would  still receive their day-for-day credit,                                                                    
but Section  66 included  a list of  factors that  the court                                                                    
shall  consider  when  deciding  whether  a  program  should                                                                    
qualify  to give  a  person credit.  The  bill loosened  the                                                                    
constraint  in former  law and  allowed  much more  judicial                                                                    
discretion.  She noted  that  sometimes  much more  judicial                                                                    
discretion was  good from the  court system's point  of view                                                                    
and  other times  it was  not.  She believed  the change  in                                                                    
statute  would lead  to many  more hearings  and was  not as                                                                    
clear as  current law. She  explained that the  change would                                                                    
result  in  numerous court  hearings  to  address whether  a                                                                    
program should or should not qualify for credit.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:38:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner added that the  particular sections altering the                                                                    
Nygren   statutes  were   not  part   of  the   commission's                                                                    
recommendation.  He  was  concerned that  the  legislation's                                                                    
proposed  structure  would  lead to  arbitrary  results.  He                                                                    
detailed that  different judges would have  diverse feelings                                                                    
about   different   programs.   He   emphasized   that   the                                                                    
requirements under  current law  were very clear  and almost                                                                    
compelled  the result  that a  person  received credit.  One                                                                    
concern raised was that the  definition of treatment program                                                                    
was not  broad enough, but  it had easily been  addressed in                                                                    
what was Section  67, which defined a  treatment program and                                                                    
broadened  what  would  qualify.  He  believed  the  section                                                                    
addressed the concerns. He shared  the concern that too much                                                                    
would  lead  to  arbitrary results  and  no  predictability,                                                                    
which  would  undermine  the   goal  of  getting  consistent                                                                    
pretrial jail  credit for treatment programs  addressing the                                                                    
needs  of individuals  for the  reasons they  were going  to                                                                    
jail.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked to hear  from DPS as  well. She                                                                    
restated  her   question.  She  asked  if   broadening  what                                                                    
qualified   as  a   treatment  program   would  impact   the                                                                    
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Folger  answered that  it would not  impact the                                                                    
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked for verification that  the bill                                                                    
language was  only related  to inpatient  treatment programs                                                                    
and would not impact anyone in an outpatient facility.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner  answered that  whether or not  a person  was in                                                                    
residential [treatment] was merely one  of the factors to be                                                                    
considered. The  changes did not  impact the EM  sections of                                                                    
the bill,  which permitted jail  credit for EM  (with passes                                                                    
to  court, appointments  with an  attorney, and  treatment).                                                                    
The   change   impacted   what  was   formerly   residential                                                                    
treatment,  which became  one of  many factors.  He detailed                                                                    
that it was one of the  factors that may result in arbitrary                                                                    
application across the state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson surmised  that the  section primarily                                                                    
impacted was on  the court system. She  surmised that judges                                                                    
would make  a determination  on whether a  program qualified                                                                    
for credit. Ms.  Mead answered that whether  to grant credit                                                                    
or not  would be up  to the  court system. The  language did                                                                    
not  apply to  portions of  the statute  related to  EM. The                                                                    
change could result in more  room for argument about whether                                                                    
a person would receive credit.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:42:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skidmore  spoke to the numerous  sentencing changes that                                                                    
occurred in  the bill. He  utilized a color  coded sectional                                                                    
analysis "cheat  sheet" provided  by the bill  sponsor (copy                                                                    
on  file). He  began  with sentencing  for misdemeanors  and                                                                    
noted there  were three primary areas  where associated laws                                                                    
had changed in  SB 91. First, some Class  B misdemeanors had                                                                    
been  reduced  to  violations  and  included  offences  like                                                                    
obstruction  of  highway  and  violation  of  conditions  of                                                                    
release.  He  elaborated  that   a  person  could  still  be                                                                    
arrested  for  the offences  under  the  legislation and  it                                                                    
could be addressed  in bail, but there would  be no criminal                                                                    
penalty  associated. Second,  the bill  changed the  maximum                                                                    
sentencing for Class B misdemeanors  from 90 days in current                                                                    
law to  10 days  and a  maximum of  24 hours  for disorderly                                                                    
conduct. Third,  for Class A misdemeanors  the bill modelled                                                                    
the  offenses  off  of  felony   sentencing  and  created  a                                                                    
presumptive  term. The  maximum remained  one year  in jail,                                                                    
but for any misdemeanor the  presumptive maximum would be 30                                                                    
days. He detailed in order  to exceed the 30-day presumptive                                                                    
would require one of the  aggregating factors included in SB
91.  The  first  aggregating  factor  dealt  with  mandatory                                                                    
minimums  of 30  days or  greater; the  second dealt  with a                                                                    
criminal history with previous  similar types of convictions                                                                    
(felonies and/or  misdemeanors), which would enable  a judge                                                                    
to impose more  than the 30-day presumptive  term; third, if                                                                    
a crime was considered a  worst offense (a worst offence was                                                                    
currently used  in felony aggravators); and  the fourth, was                                                                    
a  carve-out applying  to domestic  violence assault,  which                                                                    
would  enable  a  judge  to  impose  more  than  the  30-day                                                                    
presumptive term.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skidmore addressed  controlled substances.  He detailed                                                                    
that  under the  legislation possession  of most  controlled                                                                    
substances would become a misdemeanor.  The bill reduced the                                                                    
level  of  the  felony  offence  for most  of  the  rest  of                                                                    
distribution of  narcotics. Additionally,  the bill  added a                                                                    
second layer  of determining  whether the  distribution fell                                                                    
into a  large or  low-level category. Current  law contained                                                                    
aggregators  and  mitigators,  which  could  be  applied  to                                                                    
separate  a high-level  drug dealer  from  a low-level  drug                                                                    
dealer.  The  bill  added  a  second  layer  by  classifying                                                                    
distribution of  up to 2.5  grams as a low-level  felony and                                                                    
anything exceeding  the amount  as a high-level  felony. The                                                                    
bill  increased the  threshold for  felony  theft crimes  to                                                                    
$1,000 and included inflation  adjusting, whereas the Senate                                                                    
version of  the bill  had contained  a $2,000  threshold and                                                                    
did  not reference  inflation adjusting.  Presumptive ranges                                                                    
for all felonies were reduced  by the bill. He detailed that                                                                    
in 2005  legislation had tried  to address a  [U.S.] Supreme                                                                    
Court case  referred to as Blakely  [Blakely v. Washington].                                                                    
He detailed that with the  aim of addressing the concerns, a                                                                    
sentencing  range  had  been created  (e.g.  three  to  five                                                                    
years).  He furthered  that people  believed  the change  in                                                                    
felony sentencing  had allowed sentences to  creep up, which                                                                    
had not been the intent.  Therefore, the bill shifted all of                                                                    
the ranges  down so  the previous  presumptive range  was in                                                                    
the  middle.  The  last   areas  dealt  with  discretionary,                                                                    
administrative,  and   geriatric  parole  as  well   as  sex                                                                    
offender treatment. He  detailed that the areas  of the bill                                                                    
addressed  how quickly  a person  could be  released or  the                                                                    
type  of  sanction that  could  be  imposed in  the  various                                                                    
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:48:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner made  clarifications regarding possession versus                                                                    
distribution. He  explained a concern  had been  raised that                                                                    
possession of large quantities could  only be a misdemeanor.                                                                    
He  reminded the  committee that  someone  could be  charged                                                                    
with  intent to  deliver, which  would be  a felony  for any                                                                    
amount  as long  as  the  state could  prove  the intent  to                                                                    
distribute  or  sell  the drugs.  He  furthered  that  large                                                                    
quantities would be sufficient to  make a case for intent to                                                                    
distribute  and  smaller  quantities  could be  as  well  if                                                                    
certain circumstances  were also there that  the state could                                                                    
prove.  He  spoke to  the  adjusted  presumptive ranges  and                                                                    
explained that  the ranges  had not  been adjusted  down for                                                                    
sex offences per the commission's recommendation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson noted  Representative LeDoux's presence in                                                                    
the audience.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz  asked Mr.  Steiner  to  speak to  the                                                                    
commission's   original    recommendations   regarding   sex                                                                    
offences. Additionally,  she asked what had  been carved out                                                                    
in the  Senate and  what had  been added  back by  the House                                                                    
Judiciary Committee.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steiner  explained  that regarding  sex  offenders  the                                                                    
commission  members had  generally believed  it was  an area                                                                    
worth exploring and working on;  there had been disagreement                                                                    
about  what  measures  and  recommendations  the  commission                                                                    
should make, but it had  come to consensus on incentives and                                                                    
providing  incentives for  individuals  in  custody to  earn                                                                    
credit  or  potentially  parole  at  an  earlier  date.  The                                                                    
conclusion  had been  reached  because  of evidence  showing                                                                    
that treatment reduced recidivism,  which was the overriding                                                                    
goal  the commission  had focused  on (to  reduce recidivism                                                                    
and  crime). He  deferred the  question to  a colleague  for                                                                    
further detail.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:52:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRACEY   WOLLENBERG,  DEPUTY   PUBLIC  DEFENDER,   APPELLATE                                                                    
DIVISION,    PUBLIC   DEFENDER    AGENCY,   DEPARTMENT    OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION  addressed  changes  in  the  different  bill                                                                    
versions.  One  of   the  commission's  recommendations  was                                                                    
earned  "good time"  credit for  sex offenders,  which would                                                                    
allow  sex  offenders  who   were  currently  excluded  from                                                                    
automatically receiving  statutory good time credit  to earn                                                                    
back  the good  time credit  by successfully  completing sex                                                                    
offender  treatment  in  custody.  The  provision  had  been                                                                    
included in the original bill,  but she believed it had been                                                                    
stripped out  in the  Senate, which  was still  reflected in                                                                    
the  current  bill  version.  The  second  item  related  to                                                                    
expanding  eligibility  for  discretionary  parole  for  sex                                                                    
offenders.  She  believed  the original  recommendation  had                                                                    
been to expand eligibility  for discretionary parole for all                                                                    
sex offenders except Class A  and unclassified sex offenders                                                                    
with  prior  felony  convictions.   She  detailed  that  the                                                                    
eligibility had been scaled back  a bit and she believed all                                                                    
unclassified and  Class A sex offenders  were ineligible for                                                                    
discretionary parole.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:53:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz  asked  about the  difference  between                                                                    
classified and unclassified.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wollenberg replied that an  unclassified offence was the                                                                    
highest level  offense in Alaska,  which included  first and                                                                    
second degree  murder, sexual assault  in the  first degree,                                                                    
sexual  abuse of  a minor  in  the first  degree, and  other                                                                    
(highest level sex offences).  The classifications went down                                                                    
from  there.  For example,  Class  A  was the  next  highest                                                                    
offence, followed by Class B, Class C, and misdemeanors.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz  asked if the good  time credit applied                                                                    
to Class B and C.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wollenberg   responded  that  under  current   law  sex                                                                    
offenders  ineligible for  good time  credit were  those who                                                                    
had  been  convicted of  an  unclassified  and Class  A  sex                                                                    
felony  and  all sex  offenders  with  a prior  sex  offense                                                                    
conviction. Class B  and C felons with  no prior convictions                                                                    
remained eligible  for good time credit  under existing law.                                                                    
The   current  bill   would  allow   individuals  who   were                                                                    
ineligible  under current  law to  earn back  the good  time                                                                    
credit by completing sex offender treatment.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz  had heard  from the bill  sponsor that                                                                    
the topic  would have  further review  by the  commission in                                                                    
the  future.  She  wondered if  the  direction  for  further                                                                    
review was included in the legislation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steiner agreed  that the  commission would  welcome the                                                                    
opportunity  to  review the  topic.  He  believed the  topic                                                                    
deserved  an entire  review and  was  an issue  on its  own;                                                                    
there were many  different issues relating to  the topic. He                                                                    
noted  that the  previous  day the  committee had  discussed                                                                    
individuals who  may be in the  same high school (e.g.  a 14                                                                    
year-old  and 18  year-old). He  detailed that  the specific                                                                    
issue had  been raised  several times in  the past  month or                                                                    
so. He believed the direction  to the commission to continue                                                                    
with the review was in the  bill. He would welcome the topic                                                                    
as  a  stand-alone   review  with  a  report   back  to  the                                                                    
legislature with recommendations.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:56:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  wondered  about the  success  rate  of                                                                    
treatment for Class A and unclassified sex offenders.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner  did not  believe the  commission had  looked at                                                                    
success  rates for  subcategories of  individuals. The  data                                                                    
the commission  reviewed, showed that  individuals convicted                                                                    
of a sex  offense had very low rates of  recidivism and that                                                                    
treatment   lowered  those   rates;   from  a   cost-benefit                                                                    
perspective  the   treatment  results  were   positive  (the                                                                    
benefit was  greater than the  cost, which was based  on the                                                                    
reduction   of   recidivism).   He   reiterated   that   the                                                                    
information was  never broken out between  types of offences                                                                    
or levels.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  referred to Mr. Steiner's  reference to                                                                    
low  rates  of recidivism,  which  were  reduced further  by                                                                    
treatment. He asked if any specific numbers were available.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steiner could  not recall  specifically,  but he  could                                                                    
provide the information the commission had relied on.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:57:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  what   kind  of  sentences  the                                                                    
individuals  (who had  been added  into the  House Judiciary                                                                    
Committee bill  version) were facing and  what percentage of                                                                    
the sentence would be eligible for good time credit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wollenberg  responded that good time  credit was usually                                                                    
the  equivalent  of  about   one-third  of  an  individual's                                                                    
sentence.  She detailed  that under  the current  version of                                                                    
the bill, sex offenders would  be eligible to earn back one-                                                                    
third of their sentence, which  was the equivalent to credit                                                                    
earned back by other prisoners.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara had thought  the legislation barred good                                                                    
time  for  repeat  sex  offenders  but  not  first-time  sex                                                                    
offenders. He  asked for verification  that the  bill barred                                                                    
the  credit  for first-time  Class  A  and unclassified  sex                                                                    
offenders as well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wollenberg replied in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  about the  sentence  range  for                                                                    
Class A and unclassified sex offences.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wollenberg responded  that the  ranges varied  based on                                                                    
whether  a  person  had  a prior  conviction;  and  for  sex                                                                    
felonies whether  a prior conviction  was for a  sex felony.                                                                    
For example, if a person  was convicted of sexual assault in                                                                    
the first degree, it was  their first felony conviction, and                                                                    
the victim  was less  than 13 years  of age,  the sentencing                                                                    
range  was 25  to 35  years.  Under the  scenario the  range                                                                    
would be 20  to 30 years if  the victim was 13  years of age                                                                    
or older.  She furthered that for  second felony convictions                                                                    
and  the  prior felony  was  not  a  sexual in  nature,  the                                                                    
sentencing range was  30 to 40 years. The range  would be 35                                                                    
to  45 years  for  second felony  convictions  if the  first                                                                    
offence was  a sexual  felony. She noted  there was  a third                                                                    
felony  offender range  of  40 to  60  years for  high-level                                                                    
offences.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:00:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  asked what  data  had  been used  to                                                                    
determine sentencing  should be  lowered. She  remarked that                                                                    
the length of time a person  was in jail did not necessarily                                                                    
make them  a better person  when they got out.  She wondered                                                                    
about  services  provided to  the  individuals  in jail  and                                                                    
whether the treatment  would have to be done  quicker due to                                                                    
decreased sentencing.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steiner  answered that  the  data  indicated that  long                                                                    
sentences did  not reduce recidivism.  The data  showed that                                                                    
short  sentences  for  low   to  moderate  risk  individuals                                                                    
increased recidivism.  The structure of  the recommendations                                                                    
was to take  low to moderate risk individuals  to avoid jail                                                                    
sentences so that recidivism did  not increase, but services                                                                    
were delivered.  He detailed that  for individuals  in jail,                                                                    
services  would need  to  be delivered  while  they were  in                                                                    
custody.  He  stated  it  was  the  crux  of  the  need  for                                                                    
reinvestment.   The  capacity   to   serve   all  of   those                                                                    
individuals  did  not  currently exist;  even  with  current                                                                    
sentencing there was not capacity  to serve individuals in a                                                                    
timely manner.  He explained it  was part of what  needed to                                                                    
happen to get the maximum benefit from the policy changes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson remarked  that none  of the  services                                                                    
got covered  in DOC  under Medicaid expansion;  the services                                                                    
were only  covered outside of  DOC. She wondered  that given                                                                    
the  lowering   of  the   sentencing,  if   the  legislation                                                                    
specified that  treatment could be included  under probation                                                                    
or  parole.  She  remarked that  in  some  circumstances  an                                                                    
individual would  spend 10 days  in jail instead of  1 year.                                                                    
She  asked where  the treatment  portion would  be directed.                                                                    
She believed  that between alcohol  and drugs  the treatment                                                                    
portion  of   the  bill  was  more   significant  than  jail                                                                    
sentencing, fines, or any other portions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner agreed that treatment  was a critical component.                                                                    
The  bill   and  recommendations   did  not   specify  where                                                                    
treatment  should land.  He believed  the  fiscal notes  had                                                                    
included information  about where the treatment  money would                                                                    
be  focused.  From  the   commission's  perspective  it  was                                                                    
necessary to  fund a prevention effort  with pretrial access                                                                    
to treatment in  jail and in the  community and transitional                                                                    
services  to go  from  jail  to the  community  to ensure  a                                                                    
seamless  transition. The  recommendations  did not  specify                                                                    
how much to put in any  one of the areas. The commission had                                                                    
broadly recommended  that all of  the services needed  to be                                                                    
provided.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  had looked  into  the  issue for  an                                                                    
earlier bill and had heard  studies from Kentucky and Texas.                                                                    
She had  asked why a  significant number of inmates  did not                                                                    
currently use  EM despite their  eligibility and  ability to                                                                    
request the  service. She had  heard the primary  reason was                                                                    
due  to housing  issues. She  addressed lowering  sentencing                                                                    
and  letting individuals  out of  prison. She  asked if  the                                                                    
state had studied why some  of the current programs were not                                                                    
being  utilized. She  reasoned that  the bill  would "shrink                                                                    
that down and those issues will still be here."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner asked if Representative  Wilson was asking about                                                                    
underutilization  of transitional  services from  in custody                                                                    
to out of custody.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  replied  that   a  person  could  be                                                                    
transitioned,  but she  wondered how  to solve  the lack  of                                                                    
places for  a person  to transition to  in order  to utilize                                                                    
EM. She  wondered how  to solve  the issue  without spending                                                                    
more money.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steiner  believed  part  of the  bill  allowed  DOC  to                                                                    
contract  with nonprofit  private providers  to assist  with                                                                    
the transition. He detailed that  an entity in Anchorage was                                                                    
currently  providing  the  service and  facilitated  helping                                                                    
people  get  jobs,   find  a  place  to   live,  and  other;                                                                    
transitional services was a  critical component to maintain.                                                                    
In  addition to  treatment,  the  transitional efforts  were                                                                    
important. He  referred to discussion about  food stamps and                                                                    
added  that having  access to  food was  also critical  to a                                                                    
person's   rehabilitation.  He   explained  that   the  bill                                                                    
contained some latitude on the issues.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:05:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson  noted the committee would  address the in                                                                    
prison treatment portions of the legislation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Williams  asked   for  verification  that  the                                                                    
committee was addressing treatment  and credit for treatment                                                                    
section of the legislation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson  replied that the committee  would address                                                                    
drug  and alcohol  treatment  individuals  could receive  in                                                                    
prison.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  assumed  they  were  addressing  the                                                                    
"blue" section  on the sectional analysis  color coded sheet                                                                    
[community  supervision].  She  provided  a  scenario  of  a                                                                    
person receiving  a three-year  sentence, who  would receive                                                                    
one of  the three years on  parole or probation due  to good                                                                    
time  credit.  She had  heard  from  individuals wanting  to                                                                    
finish  their three  years in  prison because  they believed                                                                    
they would end up serving four  or five years because of the                                                                    
way  the   system  worked.  She  asked   about  capping  the                                                                    
technical violations.  She believed the bill  broke the time                                                                    
down  into 30  days. She  thought once  a person  received a                                                                    
technical violation  they may  lose all  of their  good time                                                                    
accrued.  She asked  what  happened with  good  time when  a                                                                    
person  was  released and  how  the  bill would  change  the                                                                    
current system.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams  answered that  the probation  cap for                                                                    
technical  violations   was  a   policy  change   under  the                                                                    
legislation.  Currently DOC  could revoke  up to  the entire                                                                    
amount of a  person's good time if a person  had a technical                                                                    
violation  (i.e.  failure to  show  up  for an  appointment,                                                                    
missing a bail  requirement, and other). The  bill would cap                                                                    
the amount  with the concept that  technical violations were                                                                    
generally concerned low  risk and it was  preferable to have                                                                    
people  back quickly  versus  having  a long-term  probation                                                                    
violation. One  of the bill versions  excluded sex offenders                                                                    
from the  category. He was  not certain about the  change in                                                                    
the  bill  before the  committee.  He  commented on  current                                                                    
policy  related  to a  person  violating  parole. The  other                                                                    
issue  addressed by  Representative  Wilson  was related  to                                                                    
credit for EM.  Currently a prisoner did  not receive credit                                                                    
for their EM  time, which was a lack of  incentive. The bill                                                                    
contemplated credit  for good time  on EM. He deferred  to a                                                                    
colleague for further detail.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOSH  MERCER, PROBATION  SUPERVISOR, ELECTRONIC  MONITORING,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF   CORRECTIONS  (via   teleconference),  asked                                                                    
Representative Wilson to repeat the question.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson restated  her question.  She believed                                                                    
that an individual  out on good time probation  could end up                                                                    
with  an extended  sentence of  four  or five  years due  to                                                                    
technical  violations. She  asked  if anything  in the  bill                                                                    
helped address the issue, which would make EM advantageous.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:11:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mercer  replied  that there  had  been  testimony  from                                                                    
offenders,  probationers, and  parolees  where the  scenario                                                                    
provided  by Representative  Wilson was  true. He  specified                                                                    
that   it  was   contingent  upon   the  poor   choices  the                                                                    
individuals made  with the  technical and  formal violations                                                                    
that could  extend their period  on field  supervision. With                                                                    
regard to  EM and  statutory good time,  he believed  DOC EM                                                                    
would not  be adverse to  rewarding good time  for offenders                                                                    
who had demonstrated progress while  enrolled in the program                                                                    
and housed  in the community.  He believed the  state should                                                                    
support  an offender's  effort  by  awarding statutory  good                                                                    
time   once  they   had  successfully   established  gainful                                                                    
employment,  engaged  in  and/or completed  substance  abuse                                                                    
treatment  and restitution,  and  able to  put  food on  the                                                                    
table for their families.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  clarified that  she was  not speaking                                                                    
to  good time.  She was  referring to  "straight-time" only.                                                                    
She did  not understand how  a person who received  a three-                                                                    
year sentence  could ever  end up  with serving  four years.                                                                    
She believed  under the  bill a  person received  credit for                                                                    
every 30  days if they  had no  violations. She asked  if it                                                                    
was different from current policy.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mercer answered  that currently with DOC  EM it day-for-                                                                    
day; statutory good  time was not afforded.  He deferred the                                                                    
question for further detail.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:13:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JORDEN SHILLING, STAFF, SENATOR  JOHN COGHILL, answered that                                                                    
the credit afforded to a  defendant on EM pretrial was still                                                                    
applicable  under the  bill.  The bill  did  not remove  the                                                                    
credit whatsoever.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  was  interested in  scenarios  after                                                                    
pretrial. She provided a scenario  where a person had served                                                                    
two years of a three-year  sentence and was out on probation                                                                    
for the  third year until  their sentence was  complete. She                                                                    
had heard from  more than one source that  due to violations                                                                    
a  person could  end up  serving two  more years  instead of                                                                    
just staying in  jail for the last year  of their three-year                                                                    
sentence.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Shilling restated his understanding  of the question. He                                                                    
believed she was  speaking about an individual  who could be                                                                    
reparoled. He deferred the question to DOC.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner  answered that an individual  could be sentenced                                                                    
to  three years  (flat-time,  with no  suspended time),  out                                                                    
after two years with good time,  and on parole for one year.                                                                    
During that  time, if the  individual committed  a violation                                                                    
the  Parole Board  had the  authority  to do  a "revoke  and                                                                    
reparole." A person may be in  custody for a short period of                                                                    
time right before  the end of their year; if  the person was                                                                    
revoked and reparoled  they would have to serve  the year on                                                                    
parole over  again. The scenario could  effectively extend a                                                                    
person's supervision  or custody beyond the  ultimate three-                                                                    
year sentence. He  believed the current version  of the bill                                                                    
maintained a section addressing the issue.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson   asked  how   the  issue   would  be                                                                    
addressed if the bill passed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner answered  that under the current  version of the                                                                    
bill if  a person served  their two years their  parole time                                                                    
would run for the entire third  year of their sentence. If a                                                                    
person was to  violate their parole at any  point during the                                                                    
year the  period they were  in custody would toll  (the time                                                                    
would stop  running), but  once the person  was out  of jail                                                                    
again the  time would pick up  where it left off  before the                                                                    
person  went  back  to  prison [note:  Mr.  Steiner  made  a                                                                    
correction  to this  statement  at the  end  of his  current                                                                    
response]. The change would extend  a person's sentence some                                                                    
beyond the  three-year sentence, but  it would not  have the                                                                    
ability  to extend  the parole  time indefinitely;  it would                                                                    
put a  decided end to  a person's parole time.  He corrected                                                                    
that an  individual would receive  credit while  in custody.                                                                    
He clarified that  the period a person was  in custody would                                                                    
toll if a person absconded.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson remarked  that  the  bill capped  how                                                                    
long a person could be in jail for technical violations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steiner  answered in the  affirmative. He  detailed that                                                                    
the first technical  violation carried a jail  sentence of 3                                                                    
days, the second violation was 5  days, and the third was 10                                                                    
days.  On  the fourth  violation  a  person's entire  parole                                                                    
period was up for revocation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:18:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara spoke  to the  probation component.  He                                                                    
asked  for verification  that the  bill addressed  technical                                                                    
violations  of  probation.  Mr.   Steiner  answered  in  the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  stated that in  all areas of  law there                                                                    
were some  portion of  attorneys who just  tried to  win and                                                                    
win as  big as  possible. He  asked if  the rules  under the                                                                    
bill would  guarantee a district  attorney could  not decide                                                                    
to  throw  the  book   at  a  defendant.  Alternatively,  he                                                                    
wondered  if cooperation  from  the  district attorneys  and                                                                    
parole officers would still be required.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steiner  answered that  there  would  be no  discretion                                                                    
under the  current version of  the bill. The  maximum period                                                                    
of time  for the first  three technical violations  would be                                                                    
3,  5, and  10 days  respectively. The  assumption had  been                                                                    
that  immediate  sanction  in jail  and  slowly  progressing                                                                    
would be the most effective  at changing behavior. He stated                                                                    
that after that it was wide open.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  asked   for   clarification  on   the                                                                    
statement "after that it's wide  open." Mr. Steiner answered                                                                    
that after an individual's  fourth violation the court could                                                                    
impose all  of their  parole time. At  that point,  it would                                                                    
operate as it did under current law.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked for verification Mr.  Steiner was                                                                    
speaking about  an individual's fourth  technical violation.                                                                    
Mr. Steiner answered in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:20:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thompson relayed  the committee  would hear  about                                                                    
parole sections of the bill.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Williams  communicated that  much of  the issue                                                                    
had been covered already.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JEFF EDWARDS,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ALASKA BOARD  OF PAROLE,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF CORRECTIONS  (via teleconference),  discussed                                                                    
how  the bill  impacted  the Parole  Board.  Under the  bill                                                                    
administrative  parole would  afford  an  inmate with  early                                                                    
release  opportunities  for   some  low-level  crimes  (i.e.                                                                    
mostly  Class  B  and  C  offences);  individuals  would  be                                                                    
afforded the  opportunity of early release  if they complied                                                                    
with several  requirements, which  would be  mostly outlined                                                                    
in  the  case plan.  He  furthered  that  if an  inmate  was                                                                    
following  the rules  within  the  institution and  complied                                                                    
with their case plan  (particularly treatment) they would be                                                                    
released  after serving  a quarter  of  their sentence.  The                                                                    
majority of  the time  the board members  would not  meet to                                                                    
make  a  ruling  on  individual   cases;  inmates  would  be                                                                    
automatically  released. He  noted  that if  a  victim of  a                                                                    
specific crime  requested a hearing  the Parole  Board would                                                                    
convene. He  explained that it  would be a new  function for                                                                    
the board; he  was interested to see and  study the outcomes                                                                    
if the change came to fruition.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Edwards  addressed   the   significant  reduction   in                                                                    
timelines  and length  of stay  in hard  beds for  technical                                                                    
violations. He  relayed that currently the  board's timeline                                                                    
extended out to 120 days  to deal with technical violations;                                                                    
the time would  be significantly reduced to  15 working days                                                                    
under  the legislation.  He noted  that the  first technical                                                                    
violation  carried a  jail sentence  of 3  days, the  second                                                                    
violation  was  5  days,  and  the third  was  10  days.  He                                                                    
discussed that  the significant reduction to  the time frame                                                                    
the  board had  to dispose  of the  violations would  have a                                                                    
substantial effect on the board.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Edwards  discussed  the bill's  expansion  of  eligible                                                                    
inmates    for    discretionary   parole.    He    explained                                                                    
discretionary  parole was  the avenue  for inmates  to apply                                                                    
for  early  release  from   incarceration.  The  bill  would                                                                    
increase the  number of  inmates eligible  for discretionary                                                                    
parole, which  would mean a  whole new group of  inmates the                                                                    
board  would have  to interview  and hold  hearings for.  He                                                                    
detailed  that the  change eliminated  the  ability for  the                                                                    
individual  inmate   to  waive   the  option,   meaning  the                                                                    
individual  would be  required to  appear before  the board;                                                                    
there would not be an optional application requirement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Edwards spoke to the  implementation of geriatric parole                                                                    
for individuals age 55 or older  who had served a minimum of                                                                    
10 years  in prison.  The individuals  would be  eligible to                                                                    
apply to the  board for early release. The  bill included no                                                                    
mandate  to grant  parole, but  it  granted the  individuals                                                                    
with  the  ability  to  have a  hearing  before  the  board.                                                                    
Presumably, the reason for the  policy change was due to the                                                                    
increase in medical expenses for  the specific age category.                                                                    
Additionally, data  and experience showed that  the category                                                                    
of inmates posed a very  low risk of recidivism. The board's                                                                    
policies  did not  currently enable  it  to grant  geriatric                                                                    
parole.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:26:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki asked  how many  days Parole  Board                                                                    
members usually worked. Mr. Edwards  answered that the board                                                                    
was gearing  up for a  meeting the following week  and would                                                                    
address  just over  50 hearings.  The board  would begin  at                                                                    
Goose  Creek   Correctional  Center  (the   state's  largest                                                                    
prison)  where   it  would  hold   two  or  three   days  of                                                                    
discretionary hearings.  The board would also  hold hearings                                                                    
at  the  Palmer  Correctional  Center,  the  women's  Hiland                                                                    
Mountain  Correctional   Center  in  Eagle  River,   and  in                                                                    
Anchorage.  The board  typically met  one to  two weeks  per                                                                    
month. He  offered to follow  up with the precise  number of                                                                    
days the board worked and hearings it convened.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki always  thought commissioners were a                                                                    
part-time  job. He  surmised that  the board  sounded pretty                                                                    
full-time.  He reasoned  that  the board  appeared  to be  a                                                                    
minimum of part-time if not  more. Mr. Edwards answered that                                                                    
the  positions  were  listed as  part-time,  but  they  were                                                                    
really three-quarter to full-time  when it came to reviewing                                                                    
files,  conducting hearings,  and convening  for one  to two                                                                    
weeks per month.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki  had  a  bit of  trouble  with  the                                                                    
automatic administrative  parole, which would  be completely                                                                    
new.  He asked  if first-time  Class B  or C  felons serving                                                                    
one-quarter  of their  time  plus  other minimum  conditions                                                                    
would automatically  get bumped  to discretionary  parole if                                                                    
they did  not go  through the administrative  parole hearing                                                                    
because a victim came forward.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Edwards  replied  that   the  individuals  would  still                                                                    
progress  through  the  administrative  function.  The  only                                                                    
difference was  that the  board would  need to  convene with                                                                    
the  victim  and  inmate  present  to  conduct  and  make  a                                                                    
decision  on  the  case.  The  bill  removed  the  automatic                                                                    
release  portion  and  mandated   a  hearing  [if  a  victim                                                                    
requested a hearing].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:29:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki  asked  how   much  work  time  the                                                                    
streamlined discretionary  parole and  administrative parole                                                                    
would add to the Parole Board.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Edwards  answered that the board's  fiscal note included                                                                    
funding for hearing officers needed  to expedite the hearing                                                                    
process to resolve violations. He  detailed that many states                                                                    
utilized hearing  officers due  to the amount  of violations                                                                    
coming through  the system and  the timeframe in  which they                                                                    
needed to be  resolved. He furthered that it  would move the                                                                    
revocation  hearings  for   technical  violations  from  the                                                                    
function  of the  Parole Board  to the  hearing officer.  He                                                                    
elaborated that the  board did not have  the availability of                                                                    
time to  move the cases. Additionally,  the hearing officers                                                                    
had  been  included due  to  the  increase in  discretionary                                                                    
hearings under the legislation.  He explained that the board                                                                    
members would  quickly turn into full-time  state employees,                                                                    
which DOC was not willing to do at present.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:31:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki asked  about  the notification  for                                                                    
victims.  He asked  about  the current  process  and how  it                                                                    
would change in the current bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Edwards   answered   that  the   victim   notification                                                                    
requirement  came  down  to  the  DOC  institutional  parole                                                                    
officers. Once identified  and an inmate was  choosing to go                                                                    
before  the board,  the board  was  required to  send out  a                                                                    
written letter to notify the  victim of the process. To open                                                                    
the dialogue of communication,  the board allowed victims to                                                                    
either     participate    telephonically,     via    written                                                                    
correspondence,  or in  the actual  hearing. The  department                                                                    
was   charged  with   notifying   the   victims,  who   then                                                                    
corresponded with the  board office and staff  to ensure the                                                                    
correspondence  was  seamless.  The  victim  was  given  the                                                                    
opportunity  to testify  before the  board to  provide their                                                                    
story  and  impact  of  the  crime;  board  members  weighed                                                                    
heavily  on the  testimony.  Additionally, the  notification                                                                    
was  documented in  the ACOMS  [Alaska Corrections  Offender                                                                    
Management  System] or  the  Defender  Data Tracking  System                                                                    
used by DOC.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson asked if the  board had to meet before                                                                    
a  person could  serve their  three days  [jail time]  for a                                                                    
technical violation.  She noted the committee  had heard the                                                                    
more immediate the  jail time, the more impact it  had on an                                                                    
individual.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Edwards answered that the  board hearing did not need to                                                                    
occur. He  explained the individual  would be  released from                                                                    
prison  after the  three-day period  (for a  first technical                                                                    
violation) regardless  of whether the board  had convened or                                                                    
not. The  board wanted to  be responsive in  the violations.                                                                    
He believed the  vested interest in the bill  was to resolve                                                                    
violations in a swift  and certain proportionate manner. The                                                                    
cap limits were not negotiable,  but the board would convene                                                                    
for the hearings to ensure they were resolved quickly and                                                                       
efficiently, and the person would go back out on parole                                                                         
supervision to try again.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSSSSB 91(FIN) AM was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                           
further consideration.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson relayed that amendments  to SB 91 were due                                                                    
by Friday  at 5:00  p.m. He discussed  the meetings  for the                                                                    
following  day. He  recessed the  meeting to  a call  of the                                                                    
chair [note: the meeting never reconvened].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:35 p.m.                                                                                          

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